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Old April 21st, 2022, 11:01 AM
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1971 442 w30

So I got my old High school car out from my folks place as they moved and was going to start the rebuild process on it. Its been sitting for 30+ years, I had the engine torn down and have had it stored partially together, going to bring it back to the shop that machined it and have them put it back together a good reputable race engine shop, the 4 speed is cleaned up waiting for the motor, so I can at least get it running and moving around on its own power. Then start on the body the trunk and quarters are a little rusty. The hood was restored when I took the motor out as the paint was falling off from it so it is just in primer now. I found this sheet in the back seat wish it was in better condition. Hopefully will try and update as progress is gained. I just found this site and thought it would be great for information that I might need or to ask questions.




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Old April 21st, 2022, 11:14 AM
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you have come to the right place! Nice ride hopefully you post your progression here I would love to follow! What a car to have in high school love it! Looks pretty good for sitting 30+ years and especially if those are Minnesota plates I see, Welcome!
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Old April 21st, 2022, 11:23 AM
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That broadcast card you found is pretty significant. Does the body number on the card match your trim tag located on the cowl just behind the driver side hood hinge?

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Old April 21st, 2022, 11:44 AM
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I am going to check that out tonight.
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Very cool. 👍 Hard to tell. Is that dark green or black? Finding that build card is awesome. Love seeing a true W car that has been sitting. I definitely look forward to seeing your work.
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Nice, looking forward to seeing more.
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Old April 22nd, 2022, 07:19 AM
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Nice W car should be awesome when done
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Old April 22nd, 2022, 09:35 AM
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Looks like a great car, even better having been your HS ride!
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Old April 23rd, 2022, 07:34 AM
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Trim tag body number is 399453 broadcast card body number is 301755. Looks like that card is for another car.
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Old April 23rd, 2022, 02:12 PM
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Your right. That was not mine I went and found mine in with the title it’s pretty bad condition but matching numbers.
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Originally Posted by catdaddy1971
your right. That was not mine i went and found mine in with the title it’s pretty bad condition but matching numbers.

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Going to bring the carb in to get rebuilt want to make sure this is the right carb
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That is the correct carb for your 71 442 4 speed.

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Shifty Sidney is correct.
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I do not have a 71 Chassis Service Manual, but my resource identifies a 7041256 as being correct for a Manual trans W-30.
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Perfect then I will bring it in and get it rebuilt .
The manual trans number matches vin also

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The 7041256 Carburetor is a myth. Aftermarket literature assumed the 256 would carry over from 1970.
GM literature, Parts books do not list it.
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There is a difference in a W30 and a 442 carburetor for 1971, also with manual and automatic transmission right.
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No difference between W-30 and and non W-30 carbs in 1971. Automatic and manual transmission carbs are different.
Some of the factory literature for 71 have the incorrect numbers listed. It took a while for me to find out what was correct for my 4 speed. There is not a lot of information out there for the 71s compared to 70s.

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What was the difference in the 70 w30 and 442 carbs?
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I believe the 70 W30 carb does not have metering rods while the regular 442 carb does. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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It is very cool that you have this car! Please keep this post updated with progress!
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Old January 3rd, 2024, 03:23 PM
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Getting closer

The motor is almost done had a cracked exhaust manifold so found a good one to replace it. Should be going to the dyno soon. Been a slow process but a good friend has been doing the motor work.



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Steering wheel?

The steering wheel is really sticky anyway to clean this up or restore it?
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Originally Posted by Catdaddy1971
The steering wheel is really sticky anyway to clean this up or restore it?
This is another one of those questions where asking 20 people will get you 30 answers. I've always used auto paint pre-cleaner (wax and grease remover). Prep-All is one such brand. Be sure to get the old, solvent-based cleaner, not the new water-based stuff. Just understand that the rubber in the wheel will continue to outgas over its lifetime and you'll have to wipe it down every couple of months or so.



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H heads?
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I believe H heads
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Originally Posted by Catdaddy1971
I believe H heads
My Tag ST 71 -----LAN367292
It should, my '71 has H heads.
Carb is a 7041253
M22 W/Dual Disc Clutch

lol, yep mine had sat for several years and my wheel too, was oily-sticky.

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Originally Posted by Catdaddy1971
The motor is almost done had a cracked exhaust manifold so found a good one to replace it. Should be going to the dyno soon. Been a slow process but a good friend has been doing the motor work.

looking good!
glad you found a usable manifold
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Originally Posted by Catdaddy1971
What was the difference in the 70 w30 and 442 carbs?
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I believe the 70 W30 carb does not have metering rods while the regular 442 carb does. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
I believe it also has 2 barrel jets in the primaries. Supposedly, the 70 W30 455 manual made very poor vacuum and could not haul those rods up reliably, so they did a workaround, removed the rods, and changed the jets. I do not know what cam changes were made to it to go to 71. It did, like they all did, have less compression in 71. Since the power piston and rod assembly was back in 71, I suppose it made enough vacuum to run it in that config.
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Originally Posted by Koda
I believe it also has 2 barrel jets in the primaries. Supposedly, the 70 W30 455 manual made very poor vacuum and could not haul those rods up reliably, so they did a workaround, removed the rods, and changed the jets. I do not know what cam changes were made to it to go to 71. It did, like they all did, have less compression in 71. Since the power piston and rod assembly was back in 71, I suppose it made enough vacuum to run it in that config.
1. They didn't use "2 barrel jets"......they used a jet size in the SMT carbs that were the right size for a Quadrajet primary bore.
2. The "vacuum" actually holds the primary metering rods down against the power piston spring pressure. Low vacuum allowed the power piston to lift and the smaller end of the metering rods to enrich the A/F mixture.
3. SMT W-30's didn't need the precise A/F as much as the W-30 Auto transmission equipped cars. The "softer" (different vacuum range) power pistons were available through the Oldsmobile dealer parts counter from Rochester. Cliff Ruggles and a few others market similar springs now.
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What an awesome high school car, and you had the fore thought to keep it..Very cool, keep showing the progress..I have a 70, I actually like the nose and grill on the 71 better..Kewl ride my friend
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Motor is running!!!!!!!!


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Love it ! Looking forward to hear what she is generating.

How close to stock is the build ?
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Went with close to a 1970 w30 build pistons and cam.
We got 373 hp out of it.


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Awesome !!

The factory saw 372 @ 4800 RPM, I call that mission accomplished .

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...r-1960s-1970s/
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Looking sweet!!
just in time for some spring fun 👍👍
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Originally Posted by Catdaddy1971
Went with close to a 1970 w30 build pistons and cam.
We got 373 hp out of it.
Wheeler used to build some good engines. What "W-30 cam" are you referring to " ? 285/287 ?
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