Oil fill tube decal
January 7th, 2012, 05:04 PM
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Oil fill tube decal
Anyone know where I can find out what code I should have on the decal for a 70 442, 455, Auto, w/AC? This is the sticker that goes around the oil fill tube. It is 2 letters. Thanks
January 7th, 2012, 06:34 PM
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I see what you mean! I have a book titled "442 By The Numbers" and it says the correct engine ID sticker for a 1970 442 4bbl auto w/AC should be TV. This book is put out by a business called Supercars Unlimited (www.supercarsunlimited.com). In fact, as I look through all the engine ID stickers they list for 442s from 68 through 72, there isn't a TP in the bunch. You might call there (pick up the number off of the web site) and talk with Greg Rollin - 442 is all they do and he's pretty smart about this kind of detail.
Fusick indicates that TP was used for the 442 as you describe and TV was used for the '70 442 W32. That's the magic question - were there two different engine ID stickers - one for the '70 auto 442 with A/C and one for the '70 442 auto with A/C W32, or was there just one for both of them? And, if there was just one sticker, which one was it?
The book I have titled "Oldsmobile 4-4-2 and W-Machines" conveniently sidesteps this issue for 1970 models, although it has a nice big chart for the 71 and 72 model years.
Judging by what I've seen so far, I'd lean towards TV. However, I hope there are people out there with both types of cars that can answer this question with certainty!
Randy C.
Fusick indicates that TP was used for the 442 as you describe and TV was used for the '70 442 W32. That's the magic question - were there two different engine ID stickers - one for the '70 auto 442 with A/C and one for the '70 442 auto with A/C W32, or was there just one for both of them? And, if there was just one sticker, which one was it?
The book I have titled "Oldsmobile 4-4-2 and W-Machines" conveniently sidesteps this issue for 1970 models, although it has a nice big chart for the 71 and 72 model years.
Judging by what I've seen so far, I'd lean towards TV. However, I hope there are people out there with both types of cars that can answer this question with certainty!
Randy C.
January 7th, 2012, 07:56 PM
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Have you checked your Chassis Service Manual?
It indicates engine code "TV" for A/T 4bbl 455 with A/C in Supreme and 442 Holiday Coupes and Convertibles, Option Codes W-32 and L-31 (not available in other series).
- Eric
It indicates engine code "TV" for A/T 4bbl 455 with A/C in Supreme and 442 Holiday Coupes and Convertibles, Option Codes W-32 and L-31 (not available in other series).
- Eric
January 7th, 2012, 08:14 PM
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According to my '71 assembly manual, 'TV' is the engine code for the 455/auto/AC in my '71 442 so I find it strange that 'TV' would also be a '70 code since the compression was 2 points higher in '70.
January 7th, 2012, 09:15 PM
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According to mdchanic's post, TP applies to the Vista Cruiser for 1970. The '71 grid in "Oldsmobile 442 and W-Machines Restoration Guide" also has TP for Vista Cruiser and Cutlass Supreme. Nowhere have I seen TP for the 442 or 442W32 except in the Fusick catalog. I suspect the Fusick catalog is probably wrong on this particular subject. I believe TV is your answer!
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April 26th, 2022, 05:48 AM
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There are no asterisks in that chart entry, so the A/T with A/C would retain the TT code. Every W-30 had OAI, and that would only affect the air cleaner anyway, so no change for that.
One piece of factory documentation said the code letters were red. In the early days of reproductions for these cars, most codes were made with those red letters. Then a gradual realization came about that all factory-original examples had black letters. You still see some red letters for sale--bad reproductions hang around for a very long time.
One piece of factory documentation said the code letters were red. In the early days of reproductions for these cars, most codes were made with those red letters. Then a gradual realization came about that all factory-original examples had black letters. You still see some red letters for sale--bad reproductions hang around for a very long time.
April 26th, 2022, 06:43 AM
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There are no asterisks in that chart entry, so the A/T with A/C would retain the TT code. Every W-30 had OAI, and that would only affect the air cleaner anyway, so no change for that.
One piece of factory documentation said the code letters were red. In the early days of reproductions for these cars, most codes were made with those red letters. Then a gradual realization came about that all factory-original examples had black letters. You still see some red letters for sale--bad reproductions hang around for a very long time.
One piece of factory documentation said the code letters were red. In the early days of reproductions for these cars, most codes were made with those red letters. Then a gradual realization came about that all factory-original examples had black letters. You still see some red letters for sale--bad reproductions hang around for a very long time.
April 26th, 2022, 06:50 AM
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Dr. Decal, Fusick, Inline Tube, Year One, OPGI, and Osborne sell black lettered labels.
It's much harder to find them in red. And note that some are made in vinyl, some in the original paper. Just choose the type you want.
It's much harder to find them in red. And note that some are made in vinyl, some in the original paper. Just choose the type you want.
April 26th, 2022, 09:53 AM
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I had the paper one on my car. Dried out and fell off within a year, so my fill tube has been naked since.
April 26th, 2022, 11:21 AM
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My observation is that a lot of posts here, on Facebook, etc could be answered if the person would just buy the Factory Olds Chassis Service Manual for the year and try reading it. 99.99% of most questions would be answered.
April 26th, 2022, 11:33 AM
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And leave us nothing to discuss except overinflated auction prices and bogus cars on craigslist?
Touché
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