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how many '67 "3335" F-85 6 cylinder Station Wagons?
WEDNESDAY morning TRIVIA -
anyone have vintage or "older" good numbers on 1967 production?
per the March '67 SPECS booklet - the base price of a F-85 6-cylinder Station Wagon (2-seat) was $2,749.00
& every source I can find shows model "3335" production at ..................( wait for it ) ................... 2,749 ..... oooops!
the total production number should be in the mid-400 vehicles range
Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile gives the same number of 6 cylinder wagons, and 1625 V8 F85 wagons. Odd. I'd have thought even in an F85 there'd have been more V8s.
Standard Catalog of American cars 1946-75 doesn't break down 6 and V8 production but says 4376 1967 F85 wagons produced which is two more than the SCO claims.
Casteele did the SCAC Oldsmobile section. There were a number of Oldsmobile heavy hitters involved in the SCO including Helen Earley (such a lovely and gracious lady!) and Gary Hoonsbeen.
So, who got it right?😎
More to point how many 1967 F85 wagons with either engine still exist? They didn't get preserved like Vista Cruisers did, and most Vistas got rode hard and put up wet.
Digging further into SCO and SCAC, SCO (1997 print date) shows 365 Cutlass 3535 6-cyl wagons and 8130 Cutlass 3635 V8 wagons which is believable since most Cutlass buyers would probably have sprung for the V8. F85 buyers wanted cheap transportation.
SCAC (1982 printing) shows 4376 total 1967 Cutlass wagons, but it also lumps them all under 3535. There's more than a few typos in SCAC that should have been caught in editing.
One source says 8495 1967 Cutlass wagons, another 4376. That's over 4000 cars discrepancy.
Just proves believe half what you see and none of what you hear or read!🤪
not my wagon pictured above - just a pic off the 'net
I was "crunching" some numbers and noticed the discrepancy - here are the wagon numbers I have put together checking from numerous sources & wondered how long the "bad" number has been there
Last edited by hurst68olds; October 6th, 2021 at 01:32 PM.
I ordered a 1984 TransAM that came off the transporter with the correct vented TA fender on left side and a Firebird fender on the right. I wouldn't accept it. Dealer reordered the car. Last I saw the hybrid it was on the dealer's back lot while they waited for GM to decide what to do with it.
I ordered a 1984 TransAM that came off the transporter with the correct vented TA fender on left side and a Firebird fender on the right. I wouldn't accept it. Dealer reordered the car. Last I saw the hybrid it was on the dealer's back lot while they waited for GM to decide what to do with it.
I believe they all had this badge, the body manual shows it...
not my wagon pictured above - just a pic off the 'net
I was "crunching" some numbers and noticed the discrepancy - here are the wagon numbers I have put together checking from numerous sources & wondered how long the "bad" number has been there
The Setting The Pace book by Hellen Early & James Walkinshaw gives 2749 6 Cylinder F-85 2 seat wagons produced. Ironically $2749 was the base price also.
The Setting The Pace book by Hellen Early & James Walkinshaw gives 2749 6 Cylinder F-85 2 seat wagons produced. Ironically $2749 was the base price also.
that is one of the sources I looked at (published in '96) - looking for an earlier reporting of the number - total 6 Cylinder F-85 2 seat wagon production should be between 419 & 450
that is one of the sources I looked at (published in '96) - looking for an earlier reporting of the number - total 6 Cylinder F-85 2 seat wagon production should be between 419 & 450
You're saying that Oldsmobile production numbers are wrong?
a number of sources show A-body production for 1967 at 251,461 total
just doing the math for most published production figures - shows 2,499 too many cars - a curious number - and almost 1% (not insignificant)
I've narrowed 2,299 of the cars to the numbers in "red" - the vast majority are "3335" - hence the "TRIVIA" question
a number of sources show A-body production for 1967 at 251,461 total
just doing the math for most published production figures - shows 2,499 too many cars - a curious number - and almost 1% (not insignificant)
I've narrowed 2,299 of the cars to the numbers in "red" - the vast majority are "3335" - hence the "TRIVIA" question
OK,how did you arrive that the 6 cylinder 2 seat wagon is the culprit?
another source I've used in an attempt to reconcile the numbers is the 1968 WARD'S Automotive Yearbook (covers stat's on the 1967 model year)
the 6 cylinder numbers don't add up & the $2675 to $2775 price class (tabulated in $100 increments) numbers don't add up
I understand the numbers will not always agree (tabulated by humans after all) - but I though the 2,000+ error on the F85 6 cylinder Station Wagon would have a simple solution from an earlier publication
I have only seen one other 1967 Cutlass with a six and it was a convertible about 18 years ago. I had a V8 convertible, and now have a 1965 F85 Deluxe flat top wagon, which I am the second owner.
If I look at Helen's information on A-body wagons over the time that 6-cylinder engines were offered, I can construct the following table on percentage of wagons built with the 6.
The 1967 F-85 (model 33335) data is highly questionable.
October 6th, 2021, 12:00 AM
