Diego

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-C...US_Cars_Trucks

Seller seems to be prone to hyperbole based on his description but it is different from the usual '72 out there.

1970cs

That's been for sale for quite some time. Also in JWO for a year or better too.

Cool set up, but looks very mundane on the outside.

Pat

DENT

Back in the day , people used to order these options or similar options for the sole purpose of trailer towing. Some folks did not trust the automatic trans for heavy towing. I wonder if this car has had a hitch at some point ??

oldsmobiledave

rare is not always desirable...who wants a 3 on the tree?

Rocketbrian

It may have been an old duffer who wanted the cheapest bare *** 2 dr Cutlass with A/C but didn't like the fastback body style. Or someone, somewhat the same, that had a bad experience with automatics in years gone by. It would be neat to drive for a day, but I wouldn't especially want to own it. It will be a struggle to sell, me think.

Joeolds71

I would agree with both oldsmobiledave and Rocketbrian.

ent72olds

This has been for sale for as long as I can remember. Convert it to a floor shift and you are good to go. I like the color and subtleness about it.....I guess the price is the issue here?

joe_padavano

This is yet another case of "rare" does not mean "desirable" or "valuable".

4speed455

Reminds me of a good quote I saw on ROP.

I rarely $h!+ my pants. But when I do it's never desirable or valuable.

Killian_Mörder

Why not? How many of these oddballs were made? Dosen't uniqueness add to value? Maybe, he ordered this car accordingly to attempt discouraging theft

joe_padavano

Like this?

1970cs

unique! rare!

I don't think most people would want this.

Pat

Killian_Mörder

After 100 years time, in mint shape and the only one left to enter a museum

507OLDS

Same guy that has been trying to sell a pair of 70 fenders that are "like NOS",but fails to admit that they have been repaired.I called him out on them,and he "had to check with his body guy".I don't know of any NOS fenders that came with patches.He's supposedly owned them for 20 years but doesn't remember what they looked like before going to the bodyshop.

droptopron

I've been spending some time on a TA site since I got mine. Some guy on there was moaning that his CA TA with a Chevy 305 doesn't draw a premium even though they were so rare. Who wants it? In most cases (Mopar wing cars & Rallye 350's excluded) undesirable when new usually means undesirable when old. Who would want a Chevy 305 over a 403 or a Poncho 400/4Speed?

Allan R

It's an interesting car, but according to the 72 SPECS book, the seller isn't all that aware of this cars base elements. The CS:
- 3 on the tree was the factory transmission for the car unless the TH350 was optioned.
- the poverty caps were standard issue (called chrome wheel covers)
- Vinyl roof was not deleted - it was option C08 even with CS
- 3.23 gears were the factory standard for this engine trans combo if I'm reading that chart right.
- bucket seats A51 or split bench with armrest A65 were both standard - just had to choose one. Console D55 only available with AT or MT M20
- it's not a very rare 'poverty Cutlass'. It's just a CS with its base features and some options.
- power disc brakes JL2 were standard equipment on ALL Cutlass models at the time this car was produced.

I agree with most that if it was a 4 speed car it would be more desirable. Chances are with 125K it's due for some maintenance anyway.

Diego

Alan hit on what I was getting at - the owner picks items and completely mischaracterizes them.

1970cs

All good points Allan! Also ad mentions that clock and right hand outside mirror on the buildsheet, well I looked at the build sheet five times no U35 clock listed which is an option and a DIO. And the right hand mirror only appears as dealer installed piece.

Pat

oldsmobiledave

Buy it. Install an M-20 with floor shift. Add floor shift tilt column & convert rear differential to posi. Done.


Suddenly the not so desirable car is one we would all drive.

White_Knuckles

I am truly affected and seeking help after spotting that mustard yellow Aztec. Please do not quote or repost that thing again or I'll put up a Pacer photo-rama!

joe_padavano

You made coffee come out my nose.

oldcutlass

It goes back to "Why are there <fill in the blank>, and more importantly, why are there people that own them". I can think of dozens of vehicles that fit this description over the years.

brown7373

As stated, rare does not necessarily mean valuable. Two of the rarest cars ever made would be the 1969 ZL-1 aluminum 427 Corvette (sorry for a Chevy on the Olds site) and the late 60s full size Chevy with the 4 cylinder engine, intended for taxi use. They only made 2 of each, so they are equally rare. Which car do you suppose is worth more money?

Olds442redberet

There is an advantage. The three on the tree should keep the wife and kids out of the driver's seat. No more "daddy, can I borrow the car".

66400

I'll bet the 2 vettes still exist but the taxis are long gone!

So that would make the Taxi priceless. Auctions can put a value on the Vettes.

Henry

redoldsman

Allan:

- power disc brakes JL2 were standard equipment on ALL Cutlass models at the time this car was produced

Did this become standard later in the model year. I have had two (still have one) 72 Cutlass Supreme convertibles and they both had power drum brakes. I know my current car was fairly early production since it was sold in December 71.

brown7373

My original invoice to the 1st buyer is dated 12/21/1971 and I have power drum brakes. The production date on my Oldsmobile Production Code sheet is D / 09. When was the 3 on the tree car produced?

allyolds68

This car was for sale by Everett Horton for a long time. A little over 6 months ago I was driving South on I-95 in Groton CT and came across it. I posted this but no one replied. I later found out it had sold to someone in CT. Apparently that's who's trying to sell it now:


https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ally-sold.html

1970cs

See attached cowl tag from ad.

Pat

11971four4two

I see the build sheet say power disc brakes for the three on the tree car.

my manual shift 1972 supreme has manual front disk brakes

Allan R

Glenn - yes, to my knowledge the JL2 option became a standard in Jan/Feb (kind of like the seat belt warning light did. I'm not sure if the disc brakes were legislated or not). Dad bought 2 72 Cutlass S models; he liked them that much. One was produced before the end of 71 and it had the power drum brakes. The other is my 72 that was produced April 10, 72 and has front discs. The CS in this thread was a May 72 production.

On the build sheet, the JL2 option appears in box 107, but so does the standard equipment for the car along with other extra cost options. It makes it a bit confusing to read and interpret. I went and looked at some of the build sheets I've collected over the years, and the ones that show pre 1972 production have J50 (power drum) brakes. The others (after Jan) show JL2. I'm not comparing other cars like 442's that came in other years with JL2 as standard features, just 72.

tomsw31

Alan,
My 1972 supreme convert was built May 18 and came with J50 power brakes but no JL2 disks. That is verified on the GM of Canada documentation.

Allan R

That's good information Tom. It's news to me, and like I mentioned above I was only saying that 'to my knowledge'. Now it's been documented that J50 and JL2 were apparently both still offered that late in production. I'll remember that for future questions. Learn something new every day, and I appreciate that. Now I wonder what the ratio of J50 and JL2 options was?

BTW I had a quick peek at the Cutlass build sheet on your profile - It's a cool document and looks like a nicely optioned car. The pics of your W31 show an amazing looking car!

johnnyjaws

its a 72 ewweu

oldsmobiledave

What exactly does your post mean?

wmachine

Cutlass Supreme:
JL2 ~ 48%
J50 ~ 45%

Now *there* is an intelligent post......

ent72olds

He might have social issues?

johnnyjaws

70 car motors are better without haven to do anything to them

507OLDS

I have a 72 that would make you think different.

nsnarsk65cutlass

X2 3 on the tree notchback i don't think so.