I think the Super 88 was a stolen car
June 6th, 2013, 10:28 AM
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I think the Super 88 was a stolen car
we bought a Super 88 coupe and a Dynamic 88 coupe last fall. After getting both running we went to get the In Lieu of title on the Super 88. The VIN came back as a 1964 F-85. the state patrol took the old plate, it was just glued on.
I found a partial VIN under the door sill on the driver's side. Still looking for a full VIN. I talked to the seller and he is not in the mood for refunds. I have a stolen car detective coming to look at it in the morning.
I may be parting out a '63 394 coupe at fire sale prices. It's pretty original. Little rust but not bad for being 50 years old. The car runs and drives. It may have had the motor replaced but it's still a 394. Who knows it could be Ultra High Compression.
I'll know more tomorrow.
I found a partial VIN under the door sill on the driver's side. Still looking for a full VIN. I talked to the seller and he is not in the mood for refunds. I have a stolen car detective coming to look at it in the morning.
I may be parting out a '63 394 coupe at fire sale prices. It's pretty original. Little rust but not bad for being 50 years old. The car runs and drives. It may have had the motor replaced but it's still a 394. Who knows it could be Ultra High Compression.
I'll know more tomorrow.
June 6th, 2013, 12:08 PM
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A 1963 Super 88 should have a VIN that starts 635, then a letter (M, A, K, L, C, W, or T, indicating the assembly plant), then a 5-digit unit number, so something like 635M12345.
A 1964 F-85 should have a VIN starting with 6 or 8, then a 0, 1, or 2, then a 4, then a plant letter, then a 5-digit unit number, so, for a V8 F-85, it would be something like: 814M123435, for a 6-cyl F-85 it might be 604M12345.
What's your VIN?
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A 1964 F-85 should have a VIN starting with 6 or 8, then a 0, 1, or 2, then a 4, then a plant letter, then a 5-digit unit number, so, for a V8 F-85, it would be something like: 814M123435, for a 6-cyl F-85 it might be 604M12345.
What's your VIN?
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June 6th, 2013, 02:38 PM
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is the VIN stamped on the frame like the "newer" (68-72) cars ? I think it was located near the drvrs rear wheel or between the door and rr wheel
was it a craigslist deal or ebay?
goodluck and let us know how it works out.
was it a craigslist deal or ebay?
goodluck and let us know how it works out.
June 6th, 2013, 03:43 PM
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Does your state have provisions for a "home built" title for something you did yourself? That might be one option. Not EVERY missing VIN tag is the result of evil plots. Perhaps someone removed it to paint the car and then lost it. Stuff happens.
Your police officer should be able to advise on a course of action. If it was stolen, and the owner is still around and cares, it will probably need to go back to the correct owner.
Might be pretty ugly either way. You may have some recourse against the PO even if they are "not inclined" to help. Small Claims Court. They knew or should have known...
Your police officer should be able to advise on a course of action. If it was stolen, and the owner is still around and cares, it will probably need to go back to the correct owner.
Might be pretty ugly either way. You may have some recourse against the PO even if they are "not inclined" to help. Small Claims Court. They knew or should have known...
June 7th, 2013, 10:20 AM
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We bought two at the same time. It was part of a huge car lot a girl had inherited from her father. She had about 70 cars and crushed 60 of them for scrap. We bought the Dynamic 88 and the Super 88 at the same time.
In Colorado you just have to take the notarized bill of sale to the State Patrol to get a title. We already had a title on the Dynamic 88. At the time of sale we weren't sure if the Super would start or run. It did so went to get a title for it. That's when we found out about the VIN plates being switched.
Three Colorado Springs Detectives showed up this morning to check the car. they looked at then came up with this VIN 635M15XXX a super 88 from Lansing, Michigan. Not stolen. Now we have to apply for a new title through the DMV, then have a new VIN riveted on.
As of now we have about $1,000 into this car. If anyone wants it you can come get it. We'll concentrate on the other one.
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In Colorado you just have to take the notarized bill of sale to the State Patrol to get a title. We already had a title on the Dynamic 88. At the time of sale we weren't sure if the Super would start or run. It did so went to get a title for it. That's when we found out about the VIN plates being switched.
Three Colorado Springs Detectives showed up this morning to check the car. they looked at then came up with this VIN 635M15XXX a super 88 from Lansing, Michigan. Not stolen. Now we have to apply for a new title through the DMV, then have a new VIN riveted on.
As of now we have about $1,000 into this car. If anyone wants it you can come get it. We'll concentrate on the other one.
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June 7th, 2013, 09:00 PM
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June 7th, 2013, 09:15 PM
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The interesting part was how they got that VIN. It was not stamped on the car but they had it. it was confidential and the wouldn't say how they got it.
The VIN Plates had definitely been switched. Somehow the police have more information than we can access. They were very interested since they sent three plain-clothes detectives.
The main detective looked at the partial VIN under the body by Fisher trim plate. It didn't match the VIN they said was correct for this car. They tried to see the numbers stamped on the fame on the right rear but you can't see it unless you cut a hole in the trunk.
The VIN Plates had definitely been switched. Somehow the police have more information than we can access. They were very interested since they sent three plain-clothes detectives.
The main detective looked at the partial VIN under the body by Fisher trim plate. It didn't match the VIN they said was correct for this car. They tried to see the numbers stamped on the fame on the right rear but you can't see it unless you cut a hole in the trunk.
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June 8th, 2013, 10:29 AM
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Yes! first they inspected the car then they gave with a piece of paper that said the right VIN. it said this:
The vehicle was identified through confidential means as being a 1963 Oldsmobile Super 88 VIN635M15xxx
My son asked where they came up with that and they said they could not tell him. They never went back to their car and printed anything. They had this paper the whole time. I didn't see it until the end.
The vehicle was identified through confidential means as being a 1963 Oldsmobile Super 88 VIN635M15xxx
My son asked where they came up with that and they said they could not tell him. They never went back to their car and printed anything. They had this paper the whole time. I didn't see it until the end.
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June 8th, 2013, 12:23 PM
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Many years ago when I first started the police force (1975) I remember looking at a book which contained the locations for hidden VIN's on all makes and models of North American made cars. It was for DMV/Police use only.
I imagine all the stolen auto units have these for occasions just like this
I imagine all the stolen auto units have these for occasions just like this
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