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It's nearly impossible for a car in the rust belt (ie, CT) to have "minimal rust". Look for half-fast repairs. Pay very, very close attention to rust under the glass at the base of the windshield and back window, as well as all around both pieces of glass under the stainless trim. The pinchweld rust is unfortunately insidious on these cars.
In it's present condition I might go $12.5, no more. It is a rust bucket, through and through. But I like the color - same as the original on my first Cutlass S. I paid $14.5 for my current '68 4-speed 4-4-2 in much better shape with AC, power windows, console. Admittedly that $14.5 was 12 years ago, but still.. in today's market I think mine would be worth about $25- to maybe $30 on the top end to the "right buyer." And it's been refreshed mechanically and aesthetically, with very little rust.
You might want to ask the seller, who clearly doesn't know that every MT 442 in 1968 came with a Hurst shifter. There's a reason why the post says "Hurst/Olds" in quotes.
Upon leaving the seller got a little upppity when I tried to explain that his car wasn't a Hurst Olds.
And I question the 4.11 gears, from my research, 4.11 gears was dealer installed only. "And it must be a 12 bolt rear cuz it has 12 bolts on the cover"
I told him it might be worth getting the info on his Canadian car. He had the car since 75 and is the second owner, Never driven in the snow garaged since he's had it.
Upon leaving the seller got a little upppity when I tried to explain that his car wasn't a Hurst Olds.
And I question the 4.11 gears, from my research, 4.11 gears was dealer installed only. "And it must be a 12 bolt rear cuz it has 12 bolts on the cover"
I told him it might be worth getting the info on his Canadian car. He had the car since 75 and is the second owner, Never driven in the snow garaged since he's had it.
Yes, it might be very interesting to get the VVS package and find out how the car left the factory.
4.11 gears were not an option for the Type O axle. 4.33, or 4.66 were the only ratios in the fours. By the way, if it's an Oshawa car (as opposed to US-built), it did come from the factory with a Chevy 12 bolt.
Yes, I believe it is. but thought I saw something about 4.11 being only a dealer-installed option.
Perhaps for Oshawa cars. The only "dealer installed" ratio options shown for US cars are 4.33, 4.66, and 5.00. Certainly 4.11 gears exist for the Chevy 12-bolt, and certainly someone could have paid a dealer to install them. They were not shown in any of the Olds literature or parts books, however. 3.31 is the steepest ratio available through the Olds parts network. Obviously a Chevy dealer could get 4.11s.
I actually thought it was bugs and dust that had gathered in that area over the past 50 plus years. It is a pretty hard area to clean without an air compressor and a blow gun.
It is very possible that that car could have an Olds axle. 3:42 or 3:91. Not all Oshawa cars left the factory with Chebby axles. Someone is trying to create a myth.
It is very possible that that car could have an Olds axle. 3:42 or 3:91. Not all Oshawa cars left the factory with Chebby axles. Someone is trying to create a myth.
Think that was already covered. Yes, Chevy 12-bolt in '68-9, IIRC standard ratio was 3.07.
3.07 wouldn’t have been available on an M21. I don’t have my assembly manual handy but in 68 the lowest number gear ratio you could get with an M21 was 3.42. (That was also the highest you could get with an M20).
3.07 wouldn’t have been available on an M21. I don’t have my assembly manual handy but in 68 the lowest number gear ratio you could get with an M21 was 3.42. (That was also the highest you could get with an M20).
It is very possible that that car could have an Olds axle. 3:42 or 3:91. Not all Oshawa cars left the factory with Chebby axles. Someone is trying to create a myth.
it’s possible to have that but not possible to be assembled from GM that way on a Canadian built car
every Olds A body made in Oshawa in 68/69 did come with a 12 bolt chev.
I’ve had many of them over the years and still have some Oshawa A body’s. A 68 442, a 69 442, a 69 F85 6cyl car All 12 bolt chevs
The reason GM did this was because the Drive train assembly plant for GM was in St Catharines just 1 hr and 45min down the road where 12 chev diff was made..
Last edited by CANADIANOLDS; March 27th, 2022 at 04:10 PM.
This may provide some info for your original question what to pay! I paid 25k for this car over a year ago, 59k miles one family owed out of bay area in Ca. Car is a power window, power seat A/C car. Interior, carpet/seats needed redone, paint heavy oxidized I have since buffed out but will need painted eventually, Overall a solid, numbers matching car. It will be kept bone stock, it is a drum brake car with 3:23 non posi rear. Some unforseen things I have learned, all power windows/seat needed rebuilt at 50 years old the were not working. I found an OCA member in florida who rebuilt them and they work great. This was $1,300. I would not buy a power window car again unless they are already rebuilt. These are a nightmare to line up. Still can't get the rear drivers lined up so it doesn't hit the 1/4 on the way up. The track may be bent.
Last edited by Crimson@69442; March 29th, 2022 at 05:24 AM.
Nice score, Crimson, especially for a convertible! Regarding the windows, there is a process described in the Fisher Body Service manual for installing and adjusting the tracks and glass. It is a big help to use the "witness marks" of where all the bolts/nuts were located before taking them apart.
March 26th, 2022, 03:23 AM
