Need help with a Mondello cam
#1
Need help with a Mondello cam
Hello everyone. Well I'm trying to finally get my engine running, but I'm having problems with the Mondello JM-20-22 cam.
Hope someone can give me the answer.
I have a 455 with this cam, turbo 400, and Carter carb. I can't seem to get the engine to idle less than 1100 RPM and not die when I put it in drive.
I have heard of others using this cam and are very happy with it.
Is this too much cam for the street?
any suggestions would be appreciated!!
Hope someone can give me the answer.
I have a 455 with this cam, turbo 400, and Carter carb. I can't seem to get the engine to idle less than 1100 RPM and not die when I put it in drive.
I have heard of others using this cam and are very happy with it.
Is this too much cam for the street?
any suggestions would be appreciated!!
#3
Hi My442
Well the carb is a 750 carter, I don't know what jets it currently has. The engine was in a 4 speed. So I'm sure the idle wasn't an issue before.
As for the timing I've gone as low as 20 to as high as 38 advance. It idles best at around 32 but still can't take being put in gear
Well the carb is a 750 carter, I don't know what jets it currently has. The engine was in a 4 speed. So I'm sure the idle wasn't an issue before.
As for the timing I've gone as low as 20 to as high as 38 advance. It idles best at around 32 but still can't take being put in gear
#5
The first thing is to be sure your timing is correct.
The best power on the engine dyno was with 16 initial, and 36 total mechanical. All in by 3000 RPM. I have the vacuum advance limited to 10 degrees.
***Did you degree the cam?***
You need to access a A/F meter. My bet is that the carb is way too lean.
How do the spark plugs look? If they are white, then you are too lean.
Report back with your findings.
PS - be sure you don't have any vacuum leaks.
The best power on the engine dyno was with 16 initial, and 36 total mechanical. All in by 3000 RPM. I have the vacuum advance limited to 10 degrees.
***Did you degree the cam?***
You need to access a A/F meter. My bet is that the carb is way too lean.
How do the spark plugs look? If they are white, then you are too lean.
Report back with your findings.
PS - be sure you don't have any vacuum leaks.
#6
Thanks Gearheads78 & My442
Yes I do have a stock converter, I expected some issues with that, but didn't expect the engine to just die when I put it in gear, not with an idle of 1000.
The first thing I thought was that it was too lean, but it didn't change anything even when I richened it up.
This is probibly just too much cam for the street and a stock auto trans. This engine was in a GTO for about 1000 miles, but with a standard trans. I'm sure it's a great cam, just not for my applacation. I was just hoping to be able to make it work, (I'm just being cheap)!
Yes I do have a stock converter, I expected some issues with that, but didn't expect the engine to just die when I put it in gear, not with an idle of 1000.
The first thing I thought was that it was too lean, but it didn't change anything even when I richened it up.
This is probibly just too much cam for the street and a stock auto trans. This engine was in a GTO for about 1000 miles, but with a standard trans. I'm sure it's a great cam, just not for my applacation. I was just hoping to be able to make it work, (I'm just being cheap)!
#8
My442
Well ...........mabe I shouldn't give up yet. It's just that right now there isn't and "dialing in"... It just plane won't run.
How much lope did you have in your 442? I can get it to idle with a mild lope at 1000 rpm but just dies right out in gear.
Well ...........mabe I shouldn't give up yet. It's just that right now there isn't and "dialing in"... It just plane won't run.
How much lope did you have in your 442? I can get it to idle with a mild lope at 1000 rpm but just dies right out in gear.
#9
Hello everyone. Well I'm trying to finally get my engine running, but I'm having problems with the Mondello JM-20-22 cam.
Hope someone can give me the answer.
I have a 455 with this cam, turbo 400, and Carter carb. I can't seem to get the engine to idle less than 1100 RPM and not die when I put it in drive.
I have heard of others using this cam and are very happy with it.
Is this too much cam for the street?
any suggestions would be appreciated!!
Hope someone can give me the answer.
I have a 455 with this cam, turbo 400, and Carter carb. I can't seem to get the engine to idle less than 1100 RPM and not die when I put it in drive.
I have heard of others using this cam and are very happy with it.
Is this too much cam for the street?
any suggestions would be appreciated!!
#10
Hello everyone. Well I'm trying to finally get my engine running, but I'm having problems with the Mondello JM-20-22 cam.
Hope someone can give me the answer.
I have a 455 with this cam, turbo 400, and Carter carb. I can't seem to get the engine to idle less than 1100 RPM and not die when I put it in drive.
I have heard of others using this cam and are very happy with it.
Is this too much cam for the street?
any suggestions would be appreciated!!
Hope someone can give me the answer.
I have a 455 with this cam, turbo 400, and Carter carb. I can't seem to get the engine to idle less than 1100 RPM and not die when I put it in drive.
I have heard of others using this cam and are very happy with it.
Is this too much cam for the street?
any suggestions would be appreciated!!
I does not sound as though your issue is the cam. I would look some where else for the problem.
Tim
Tim
#12
Thanks Gearheads78 & My442
Yes I do have a stock converter, I expected some issues with that, but didn't expect the engine to just die when I put it in gear, not with an idle of 1000.
The first thing I thought was that it was too lean, but it didn't change anything even when I richened it up.
This is probibly just too much cam for the street and a stock auto trans. This engine was in a GTO for about 1000 miles, but with a standard trans. I'm sure it's a great cam, just not for my applacation. I was just hoping to be able to make it work, (I'm just being cheap)!
Yes I do have a stock converter, I expected some issues with that, but didn't expect the engine to just die when I put it in gear, not with an idle of 1000.
The first thing I thought was that it was too lean, but it didn't change anything even when I richened it up.
This is probibly just too much cam for the street and a stock auto trans. This engine was in a GTO for about 1000 miles, but with a standard trans. I'm sure it's a great cam, just not for my applacation. I was just hoping to be able to make it work, (I'm just being cheap)!
Tim
Tim
#14
That grind is not the source of your problems. More likely it is a vacuum leak.
Disconnect the vacuum advance.
Unless their combination (all engine components, car weight, trans, stall, rear gears, suspension, etc) and driving habits (and philosophical outlook) are identical to yours, that information is pretty much useless.
Not for a 455. What is your compression ratio? What fuel are you using? How old is it?
With no vacuum advance? When you assembled the engine (or degreed the cam) did you verify the the timing marks lined up at #1 TDC?
Disconnect the vacuum advance. Then ignore how it idles and pay attention to what your timing light tells you.
If it dies, it must not be getting enough fuel?
Did you change jets or did you adjust the idle mixture?
Turn the mixture screws in, until they lightly bottom out, then back them out 1 full turn.
Check the firing order.
It is a relatively mild street cam. It will be fine, once you fix what is broke and stop fixing things that are not broke.
Remove the distributor cap and verify that the mechanical (centrifugal) advance is working properly. Set the initial at 12° BTDC @ 800 RPM in Neutral/Park.
Norm
Not for a 455. What is your compression ratio? What fuel are you using? How old is it?
With no vacuum advance? When you assembled the engine (or degreed the cam) did you verify the the timing marks lined up at #1 TDC?
Disconnect the vacuum advance. Then ignore how it idles and pay attention to what your timing light tells you.
If it dies, it must not be getting enough fuel?
Did you change jets or did you adjust the idle mixture?
Turn the mixture screws in, until they lightly bottom out, then back them out 1 full turn.
Check the firing order.
Remove the distributor cap and verify that the mechanical (centrifugal) advance is working properly. Set the initial at 12° BTDC @ 800 RPM in Neutral/Park.
Norm
#15
Thanks 88coupe
Most of what you suggest I have looked into. Vacuum leaks, not using the vacuum advance, adjusting the carb (it's at about 2.5 turns out now,) Compression is 9.75:1
It idles at 1000 but no lower, and dies in gear. it has a stock converter but I thought if I could idle at 1000 I would be ok.
The cam is at 0 advance.
I haven't checked the mechanical advance, (That's an excelent idea).
I appreciate the help. I'll keep plugging away at it
Most of what you suggest I have looked into. Vacuum leaks, not using the vacuum advance, adjusting the carb (it's at about 2.5 turns out now,) Compression is 9.75:1
It idles at 1000 but no lower, and dies in gear. it has a stock converter but I thought if I could idle at 1000 I would be ok.
The cam is at 0 advance.
I haven't checked the mechanical advance, (That's an excelent idea).
I appreciate the help. I'll keep plugging away at it
#18
Well I'm out of ideas, dist. checke out fine, swaped out carb with an Edelbrock from another 455, and checked for any vacuum leaks.
This week end I'll dig into the cam, may be that who ever built it has the cam way advanced. I see it does have a split front timing chain cover plate. In any case I have another cam to go in.
Thanks for all your help guys I do appreciate it!!
This week end I'll dig into the cam, may be that who ever built it has the cam way advanced. I see it does have a split front timing chain cover plate. In any case I have another cam to go in.
Thanks for all your help guys I do appreciate it!!
#19
Cam problem
My guess is you have a vacuum leak. With it idling, put your hand lightly over the carb. Does it raise the idle, lower it and stumble or stay the same? Then go from there.
Also check to see just how loose your mechanical advance is. It's a long shot but if it's real loose it could be retarding enough when you put it in gear (lower rpm) to cause it to stall. I've seen it happen. Chased it myself once many many years ago on my dads Datsun 2000. Check it out.
Also check to see just how loose your mechanical advance is. It's a long shot but if it's real loose it could be retarding enough when you put it in gear (lower rpm) to cause it to stall. I've seen it happen. Chased it myself once many many years ago on my dads Datsun 2000. Check it out.
Last edited by cutlassefi; June 25th, 2009 at 06:15 PM.
#21
I did find 1/2 the problem...The cam was dialed in way advanced. So I set it streight up, and WOW! I have idle. smooth and runing great at 600 rpm. Now the second half of the problem has to be transmission. If I put it in drive even at 600 rpm the transmission trys to pull hard and stalls the engine. This is a stock converter but it shouldn't pull this hard at 600.
Is
Is
#23
I hope you get it working right. I'm no diagnostic tech or even a good mechanic for that matter "Just enough skill to be dangerous"
read the post that Norm was kind enough to add about what the cam card says......
Oh and thanks for all the input I just got reading your thread re: jm20/22
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-question.html
read the post that Norm was kind enough to add about what the cam card says......
Oh and thanks for all the input I just got reading your thread re: jm20/22
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-question.html
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